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commented on Jury rules tightened for 2014 Eurovision Song Contest

@ MrEurovision Lol, just lol. I'm speechless. When the purpose of a system is to eliminate a certain geopolitical group of countries completely then this is bloc voting at its worst in its own right. ...
@ MrEurovision

Lol, just lol. I'm speechless. When the purpose of a system is to eliminate a certain geopolitical group of countries completely then this is bloc voting at its worst in its own right. I think that Croatia and Montenegro, which by the way had never qualified before, deserved to be in the final musicwise. Slovenia and Serbia, on the other hand, were bad indeed and didn't make it by televotes either.

If the the EBU is so crazy after promoting modern western values through the Eurovision Song Contest it is ridiculous to use a voting system based on ancient ideas of the Middle Ages and earlier, diving the electorate into 'plebs' and 'elite'.
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commented on Jury rules tightened for 2014 Eurovision Song Contest

continued... @ Maxime01 I'd also like to hear an explanation how the EBU/digame finds out whether votes come in through commissioned power voting or casual viewers that support their favourite up ...
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@ Maxime01

I'd also like to hear an explanation how the EBU/digame finds out whether votes come in through commissioned power voting or casual viewers that support their favourite up to twenty times. Not that I agree with this high threshold, but as long as twenty calls/SMS are officially allowed and the voter pays for that there is absolutely exculpation to remove them from the count.
Your conclusion is right, personally I haven't participated in the voting since 2009, the last time all detailed results were published.
CCX 92

commented on Jury rules tightened for 2014 Eurovision Song Contest

@ EuRo Fan Exactly. What changes has the implementation of the 'jury' vote brought about in the end other than killing musical diversity (in particular ethnic songs), destroying two super exciting nip-and-tuck ...
@ EuRo Fan

Exactly. What changes has the implementation of the 'jury' vote brought about in the end other than killing musical diversity (in particular ethnic songs), destroying two super exciting nip-and-tuck races in 2011 and 2012, and cushioning slightly the fall of fanwanks now and then?

@ Usaga

The bloc voting in 2007 was as strong as in any other year televoting was in use, or at least since Eurovision's great enlargement in 2004. Do you think millions of televoters make a secret deal to allow western entries winning the contest one year and boycotting them all the other? From an average viewer's perspective apparently none of the western entries happened to be worthy of a good position that year, and as we know from the belatedly revealed 50/50 results, merely Germany would of benefitted from a jury as well.

to be continued...
CCX 92

commented on Jury rules tightened for 2014 Eurovision Song Contest

@ Jajceboy As far as I know there has never been a public opinion poll that what voting systems in ESC concerns. Die-hardfans constitute only a small, small fraction of all viewers. I for once have ...
@ Jajceboy

As far as I know there has never been a public opinion poll that what voting systems in ESC concerns. Die-hardfans constitute only a small, small fraction of all viewers.
I for once have ALWAYS been strongly opposing the 'jury', you can check that reading my comments on older articles. If others changed their opinion over the years – e.g. because we've gotten a much clearer picture of how the process works now – there would be nothing strange about it. Furthermore the jury had almost stayed out for more than ten years at one point as well. According to your logic, their comeback was illegal then.
Same aplies to the Big-5 rule, there's absolutely no long-term tickets for inequity. I get your point about commercial reasons (though it has flaws, just compare Russian with Italian viewership), but to me as a (former) fan fairness comes first.
CCX 92

commented on Jury rules tightened for 2014 Eurovision Song Contest

@ EuRo fan True that! ESC 2007 provided one of the very best televoting results ever IMO. And even if you genuinely found many entries underrated (fair enough, it is all subjective in the end), where ...
@ EuRo fan

True that! ESC 2007 provided one of the very best televoting results ever IMO. And even if you genuinely found many entries underrated (fair enough, it is all subjective in the end), where is the sense in pointing at a contest that dates seven years back?? Results prior to and after that year have proven that there is no discrimination against anyone when appealing songs are sent and also that everyone can fail.
CCX 92

commented on Jon Ola Sand: "We will always do our utmost to secure a fair result"

@ Jajceboy Why shouldn't it? After all the 'jurors' are given a lot more impact on the results than normal viewers which means they are required to vote in a fair way and not based on personal taste. ...
@ Jajceboy

Why shouldn't it? After all the 'jurors' are given a lot more impact on the results than normal viewers which means they are required to vote in a fair way and not based on personal taste. We have all right to observe and question their decision-making.
CCX 92

commented on Jury rules tightened for 2014 Eurovision Song Contest

PS: I obviously meant that *if* they go for a 'jury' it is good they will decide for 100% transparency. The split results should also be shown during the live broadcasting for every member of the viewing ...
PS: I obviously meant that *if* they go for a 'jury' it is good they will decide for 100% transparency. The split results should also be shown during the live broadcasting for every member of the viewing public to see. Of course t is NOT good to keep the 'jury' vote at all – it has been destroying the spirit of competition since its re-introduction IMHO.

@ oikotimes

In 2007 we did not have two semis, which was irubbish indeed. That, however, was not related to the lack of a 'jury' vote.
CCX 92

commented on Jury rules tightened for 2014 Eurovision Song Contest

Good! And now, please also reveal the detailed split results for the 2010-2013 contests.
CCX 92

commented on Split results of Eurovision 2013 revealed

@ Tom Philibi

I guess because people (me included) are interested in how the public voted according to the OFFICIAL point system... or the 'jury' for that matter. Unfortunately these results give little evidence.
CCX 92

commented on Split results of Eurovision 2013 revealed

That's bullcrap. We want to know how the results like in the 1-8-10-12 points system. Reveal them now!

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